looking for half-stable Linux distro

Hello, i am currently looking for a Linux distribution with these criteria:

-it should be more or less stable, comparable to Ubuntu with or without LTS //
-it should not be related to IBM to any way (so no fedora/redhat) //
-it should not feature snaps (no Ubuntu or KDE neon) //
-KDE plasma should be installable manually (best case even installed by default) //
-no DIY Distros //

I've been thinking about using an immutable distro, but if anyone can recommend something to me, I'd be very grateful //

Edit: I'm sorry for the bad formatting, for some reason it doesn't register spaces

bitwolf ,

Just use Fedora.
It's very up to date and it's upgrades are flawless.

My record is 15 upgrades (before getting a new system). It's even been fine through Intel -> AMD CPU swaps.

Octopus1348 ,
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Linux mint. It's based on Ubuntu but they also snapped out the snaps.

BaumGeist ,

-it should be more or less stable, comparable to Ubuntu with or without LTS

Ubuntu was based on Debian, which touts its stability

-it should not be related to IBM to any way (so no fedora/redhat)

Debian has no afiliation to IBM, they're not even loosely part of each others' "partners" programs

-it should not feature snaps (no Ubuntu or KDE neon)

Debian doesn't use snaps (welcome to the greener side of the fence btw, fuck snaps)

-KDE plasma should be installable manually (best case even installed by default)

Debian uses KDE as one of it's default install options when installing the OS, and it can be installed later with tasksel (or by just getting all the packages if you want to do it the hard way)

-no DIY Distros

Debian has a barebones headless option, but the installer defaults (which come with the whole DE and oyher convenienve packages) are pretty user-friendly

In summary, I have no fucking clue what OS you should use.

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GuilhermePelayo ,

Debian is the GOAT

whoami ,

Debian stable.

HumanPerson ,

Opensuse. It comes in different flavors including tumbleweed (rolling but tested), slowroll (slower rolling), leap (stable), and micro / leap micro (immutable). It is not owned or funded by redhat although it does use rpm. Its installer is the best I have ever seen for managing software before installation and will let you select KDE.

MonkderZweite ,

Get a Debian and break it a leg.

WeLoveCastingSpellz ,

Mint LMDE Kde flavor

Pantherina ,
@Pantherina@feddit.de avatar

Opensuse Slowroll

scratchandgame ,

Alpine Linux.

BaumGeist ,

stable ✅
technically comparable to Ubuntu ✅
not related to IBM ✅
doesn't feature snaps ✅
KDE plasma ✅
not DIY ✅

WCGW

qaz , (edited )

OpenSUSE TW

it should be more or less stable, comparable to Ubuntu with or without LTS

It’s very stable and I’ve never had issues

it should not be related to IBM to any way (so no fedora/redhat)

It’s supported

no DIY Distros

It’s developed by SUSE.

it should not feature snaps (no Ubuntu or KDE neon)

It uses flatpaks

KDE plasma should be installable manually (best case even installed by default)

OpenSUSE is one of the few distributions that uses KDE Plasma by default.

BaumGeist ,

Isn't TW the rolling-release variant?

Maybe I'm just scarred from years of IT, but I would avoid recommending any rolling release to someone if they specified "stability" and were likely fresh out of the Ubuntu/Green Ubuntu kiddie pool.

Just assume that they mean they want to set it up with minimal user interaction and then never, ever, ever have to change settings again.

Para_lyzed , (edited )

Just to clarity the relationship between Red Hat, IBM, and Fedora, Fedora is only sponsored by Red Hat. They make all their own decisions, and while they receive financial support from Red Hat and Red Hat owns the Fedora trademark, their decisions and development are independent of Red Hat (and by extension IBM), with the single exception that they cannot risk violating the law (i.e. copyright infringement), else it risks Red Hat legal trouble (and Fedora would risk losing their sponsorship as a result). Red Hat benefits from Fedora's development by the community, given that Fedora is RHEL's upstream, hence why it continues to sponsor Fedora. But it isn't Red Hat that is in charge of Fedora's development, it's FESCo, which is entirely community elected, and does not stand for the interests of Red Hat, but rather for the interests of the community.

Eliminating Fedora from contention in that regard is essentially like eliminating Debian because you don't like Canonical, who makes Ubuntu, a downstream of Debian.

Add on top of that the fact that IBM and Red Hat are major contributors to the Linux kernel, and you absolutely cannot avoid connections to them while using Linux. I mean, that's quite frankly a ridiculous exclusion criteria in the context of Linux. If you're looking to avoid an operating system OWNED by Red Hat or IBM, then Fedora should not be included in that list. Neither of them have any say or pull in the development of Fedora, which is a completely community-driven project (no, owning the trademark doesn't change that fact; if Red Hat tried to take over, the Fedora community would simply fork the project, rebrand, and continue on their own). Besides, Red Hat has no interest in controlling Fedora, because it doesn't benefit them. Their only interest is in enterprise applications, which is not a good use case for Fedora. The only operating systems Red Hat actually has any control over are RHEL, CentOS, and any derivatives of those operating systems like Rocky Linux, Oracle Linux, and such (though Red Hat's control over derivatives was only the result of those projects being downstream, not actual ownership).

So with that in mind, I'd recommend the Fedora KDE spin if you want a normal, stable, snap-free, no DIY required distro with KDE, or if you want the immutable version, Fedora Kinoite is what you'd be looking for. And Fedora has the major advantage over Debian-based distros of actually receiving package and kernel updates regularly, so you can stay up to date and enjoy new features, all while maintaining stability.

Fedora Kinoite is absolutely the best immutable distro fitting your criteria. Anything else will have a much smaller community and less support as a result. rpm-ostree has great documentation, and all of the Fedora Atomic Spins have a huge userbase available in case you ever have questions.

Pantherina ,
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Second that.

No matter if atomic or regular, Fedora has a good automatically preset rollback mechanism for when an update breaks something.

They also have good Wayland support, awesome new packages, BTRFS and more.

some_guy ,

This is a great comment because I didn't know this distinction. You've OKed Fedora for me when I thought I needed to boycott them because of RHEL's shenanigans.

Bisexual_Cookie ,
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debian (mx-linux has a kde version if you want less hasle then pure debian) or opensuse leap on the "stable" side, opensuse tumbleweed if you want more recent packages (i've never had it destroy itself like arch, its been very stable for a rolling distro)

hyauzane ,

I would recommend void, alpine (kde plasma auto installer may still be broken for some users, works for me tho, also musl so if you need appimages or some very specific applications don't use it.), alpaquita (much stable alpine with glibc if you need appimages), slackware (current only, it is stable rolling, and their point release features very old kernel and packages so I wouldn't recommend it, paldo (stable rolling, gnome by default but plasma installable.), gentoo (if you have time to compile, why not it as stable as rolling can get without it being openSUSE), openSUSE (easiest rpm based (Oracle fork) but still IBM code nonetheless)

Kangie , (edited )

Gentoo.

It's rolling release, has stable and testing packages, and users can choose between them per-package (or globally) and it runs or is easily made to run on pretty much everything.

zwekihoyy ,

no diy

slacktoid ,
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Slackware current.

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